Such Godly Atheism
Not heeding the fact that I’m a new kid on the block, or blog, i want to talk about something which surprises me big time. God. Rather, the existence of God.
Quite simply, I don’t have a reason to believe in God. But then, do you need a reason at all? I don’t believe in God. But don’t call me an atheist. Huh!
Deep inside, I want to have a reason to believe in Him, I want a proof of His existence. But, as yet, He’s not showing up.
I consider myself utterly unqualified to talk about God, philosophy or life. You need a backgorund research or preparation to talk about such things. Talk about inexperience. Right now, i don’t want to think about this. I got no ‘tym’. Dil mein mere hai dard-e-disco.
[I'm not supposed to be talking such things out in the open, that too a week before exams. Mummy may kill me.]
augustonfire said,
January 9, 2008 at 8:08 am
Well, me neither(qualified, that is). But I offer you my friendship and utter devotion while you look for a reason to believe in Him.
Dishant said,
January 10, 2008 at 3:33 am
“Show me proof there is a God, you say. I say use your telescopes to look to the heavens, and tell me how there could not be a God!You ask what does God look like. I say, where did that question come from? The answers are one and the same. Do you not see God in your science? How can you miss Him! You proclaim that even the slightest change in the force of gravity or the weight of an atom would have rendered our universe a lifeless mist rather than our magnificent sea of heavenly bodies, and yet you fail to see God’s hand in this? Is it really so much easier to believe that we simply chose the right card from a deck of billions? Have we become so spiritually bankrupt that we would rather believe in mathematical impossibility than in a power greater than us?
Whether or not you believe in God,you must believe this. When we as a species abandon our trust in the power greater than us, we abandon our sense of accountability. Faith . . . all faiths . . . are admonitions that there is something we cannot understand, something to which we are accountable . . . With faith we are accountable to each other, to ourselves, and to a higher truth. Religion is flawed, but only because man is flawed. If the outside world could see this church as I do . . . looking beyond the ritual of these walls . . . they would see a modern miracle . . . a brotherhood of imperfect, simple souls wanting only to be a voice of compassion in a world spinning out of control. ”
An extraxt from Dan Brown’s “Angels and Demons” .,,which I find a reinforcement to my faith in an almighty .
ankuranky said,
January 10, 2008 at 2:32 pm
Wow, i had forgot those lines are from Angels and Demons. Striking.
“”Have we become so spiritually bankrupt that we would rather believe in mathematical impossibility than in a power greater than us?”"
But the thing is, even this is not a proof. I mean, you really need a proof to believe in something, but the opposite is not true.
Isn’t it still a matter of CHOICE and POINT OF VIEW that you start believing in God? There is nothing concrete! I hate this.
ankuranky said,
January 10, 2008 at 2:40 pm
AUGUSTONFIRE :
do you(believe in Him, that is)?
augustonfire said,
January 10, 2008 at 9:20 pm
yes.
With all the doubts, the love, and the servantude that comes with Him.
Jesus did die for me. He was God in the form of man. I accept.
augustonfire said,
January 10, 2008 at 9:22 pm
Hey, what is this by the way?
“I got no ‘tym’. Dil mein mere hai dard-e-disco.”
ankuranky said,
January 13, 2008 at 7:35 am
“I got no ‘tym’” means i should not be thinkin about such topics, as i have no time these days.
I suggest you leave “dil mein mere hai dard-e-disco” uncoded! Its a twisted form of hindi, taken from a popular bollywood song.
ankuranky said,
January 13, 2008 at 7:44 am
AUGUSTONFIRE:
I respect your faith in Jesus. Do you share the same feelings for other ‘Gods’ and religions? Jesus died for you, so you pray to him and have given him a godly status. But, what reason d’you think drives so many of the people to believe in so many Gods?
And, please, let’s not drive this topic towards religion. I have always believed that first I wil have to believe in God and then in any religion. Religion is secondary to God, if there is, that is!!
risingphoenix said,
February 2, 2008 at 12:06 pm
heya doc…im sure uve already guessed who i am so no goin there…hmm GOD…three letters…”those three words…said too much…but not enough” except it has to be letters here nd not words…
welll yu dont belive in GOD yet yu look for sumthing to make yu belive in GOD(yu c i have issues about GOD being a HIM all teh time…who knows could be a woman doin the whole job…so lets not get chauvinistic here!!)…but then belief is all about something yu know exists and you need no proof no reassurance for that…..
and i dont understand if you dont believe in god as an entity its ok…here s my question WHY do you WANT to belive in GOD? why r you looking for signs or proof or watsoever to BELIEVE in god? that just means that you believe GOD exists …its just that yu havnet been fortunate or unfortunate enuf to affirm ur belief right??
ankuranky said,
February 3, 2008 at 9:23 am
I ask myself these questions very often :
Do i believe that everything in this universe goes on according to sheer logic …. and i agree that the creation of everything following the Big Bang was just a mathematical co-incidence?
OR
Do i believe that Big Bang and the creation of universe is too big a co-incidence to occur, so there must be the hand of some higher power? And that the words called humanity and good-ness hold NO meaning whatsoever, if there’s no god?
I agree to the first question over-whelmingly, BUT, it feels so good to be human as it gives me a mind of my own and i want pusue humanitarian behavior whether or not He exists.
I *want* to believe in God because :
1. It gives me a reason to be more human.
2. I’ll be true : almost all the people in the world cannot be fools. There must be some solid reason that they believe in God. I agree that 99% of them have never thought about God, and they just believe in Him because their parents or their religion wanted them to believe. But the other ones like Swami Vivekananda, Gandhi, or our own BD Chaurasiya must have weighed both sides of the story seriously before coming to a logical solution. It’s just that i’ve not had the fortune of coming in touch with them, and get enlightened!
…and… i think it doesn’t matter He’s a he or a she. it’s just how you look at him, if he exists, that is.
augustonfire said,
February 5, 2008 at 5:20 pm
Check out creationscience.com.
And I suppose Christians just say He because of Jesus.
But at the moment I am having some talks with a guy at my church who is supposed to be giving me some books on all of the Biblical prophecies that Jesus fulfills, proving that He is the messiah of the Old Testament.
I don’t understand what you mean by, “It gives me a reason to be more human”
ankuranky said,
February 6, 2008 at 4:20 pm
Hey augustonfire!
As such my knowledge about Christianity is too little from any standards. It’s based on what i’ve heard from people(mostly Hindus), or what i’ve read in books like Da Vinci Code. So you can imagine!
Don’t you guys believe in any power higher than Jesus? If yes, then there’s hardly any reason to adjudge that power as a He. Anyways, Jesus exemplifies all the good things, right? What part does he play in the creation of the universe according to Bible?
“It gives me a reason to be more human”
It means that believing in the causes of Humanity and Charity without believing in God is proving a little difficult to me. See, as an atheist i sometimes wonder that what good will occur if i do something good to others, or why on earth should i show any compassion!?
If i start believing in God, may be I’ll do more humanitarian efoorts in the name of God. You get my point?
augustonfire said,
February 10, 2008 at 5:25 am
I’d be interested to know what Hindu’s believe about Christianity. haha. I don’t know what you know.
Well, I’ve never seen the Da Vinci Code, or read it, but I hear good things and bad things. For example, I’ve heard that the Gospel of Mary was referenced, which I think was written by a group called the Gnostics after Jesus’ death. I can’t really remember the details.
Christians believe that Jesus was God in the form of man. There are three personalities to God: the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. One God, three personalities: we call this concept the trinity.
I believe that Jesus was God, that He led a sinless life and that He was crucified to pay for the sins of the world because He loves us.
Because God is holy, He cannot accept sin. Humans choose to sin time and time again. Jesus paid our debt.
God loves us, and desires a relationship with each of us, but sin separates us. We were given the choice to choose God or sin because God wanted us to have the freedom to choose Him rather than having no other options.
I’ve recently been getting a lot of my questions answered about the reliability of the Bible through looking into Biblical prophecy and Science.
There is a lot of evidence to support a six day creation as documented in the Bible, according to the site I already mentioned, creationscience.com.
Also, there are a lot of prophecies that were made hundreds of years before Jesus was born that were fulfilled by His birth and life that lets us know that He is the messiah that the Jews are waiting for.
There are also prophecies in the New Testament that tell us what will foreshadow what is known as the end times, when Jesus will return for his people. Many of these prophecies have recently been fullfilled!
An example of a prophecy that was fulfilled is the one that Daniel gave several thousand years ago. It was fulfilled the same year he say it would be when Israel became a nation in 1948!
I know what you mean. I’ve often wondered how atheists aren’t total hedonists. I mean, no matter what they do, no matter their accomplishments, no matter who they help, in the long run everything around them will at one point just cease to exist. So what’s their point? God is the meaning of my life.
Wow. This was a long post. Hopefully I explained SOMETHING. haha. I’ll stop typing now.